celestine prophecy - should i try to convince people it is real, or not?
july 10th 2020 and
new comments I made sept 26th 2023
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julia b said in the original post question
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I have read The Celestine Prophecy twice (first back in the late 90s I think, and recently again). I have also just finished reading The Tenth Insight. The books are amazing, like nothing I have read before, and as usual in my enthusiasm, I like to tell others about it. However, I wondered how people have coped with the response from others when it is negative or questioning. I don't even know how James Redfield himself arrived at the insights. I think about how the character in the books dealt with challenges. So do you send the person loving energy and how do you maintain your own uplifted state?
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i said at fri jul 10 2020 10:51am
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I think some of the books suggest that if you can try to maintain your own higher vibration, you will receive helpful guidance and signs to help you know what to do or not do...
Sometimes 'mistakes' are part of that... something hidden, like a sensitivity, is revealed, and a part of a deeper story that is important to a person, and their secret inner struggles, is revealed...
It's not about rejecting reason and the tools and skills we know... but more about leaving openings for the universe to... put some helpful margin notes...
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mike goguen said sat sept 23 2023 5:36am
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In some situations, both negative and positive outcomes are possible... if we delude ourselves with positive thoughts, we might not react appropriate when a harsher response is necessary in a certain situation... likewise, if we obsess about negative possibilities, and this is the one I think people usually get stuck on, sometimes, out of fear of negative consequences, we may choose to stop looking for the good and positive and trying to keep the faith in the good in people and situations when negative things are happening... instead of being willing to take some risk that things could go badly, and sort of keeping a focus on positive outcomes, or people living up to a higher expression of themselves, rather than their lower nature... I guess it's a balance, learning to set healthy boundaries, to develop resilience, to know we can deal with some negative situations, so we can risk some possible betrayals or our hopes and faith in the good in people or possible outcomes not being lived up to... I'm trying to speak from a more 'rational/ reasoned perspective here, rather than an energetic one, presently I don't feel comfortable sort of advocating along the lines of what energetic or spiritual circumstances may be occurring, or how to work with the problem from those perspectives, I'm interested in what others may have to say along those lines though.
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mike goguen said sat sept 23 2023 5:36am
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In some situations, both negative and positive outcomes are possible... if we delude ourselves with positive thoughts, we might not react appropriate when a harsher response is necessary in a certain situation... likewise, if we obsess about negative possibilities, and this is the one I think people usually get stuck on, sometimes, out of fear of negative consequences, we may choose to stop looking for the good and positive and trying to keep the faith in the good in people and situations when negative things are happening... instead of being willing to take some risk that things could go badly, and sort of keeping a focus on positive outcomes, or people living up to a higher expression of themselves, rather than their lower nature... I guess it's a balance, learning to set healthy boundaries, to develop resilience, to know we can deal with some negative situations, so we can risk some possible betrayals or our hopes and faith in the good in people or possible outcomes not being lived up to... I'm trying to speak from a more 'rational/ reasoned perspective here, rather than an energetic one, presently I don't feel comfortable sort of advocating along the lines of what energetic or spiritual circumstances may be occurring, or how to work with the problem from those perspectives, I'm interested in what others may have to say along those lines though.
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mike goguen said Tues Sept 26 2023 5:22am
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There were some places where people talked about how to have a dialogue with people who are hard to convince of something, potentially something good, or truth, or kind, or helpful... is it necessary?
So one thing that might be valuable to try to discern a little, before one invests too deeply in... a large project... of trying to convince people of... something... maybe our own views? beliefs, etc... is this for them? Is it necessary for them? how do their current beliefs serve them, their lives, who they are, their role in society, and how would this different view serve them, their role in society and other relationships, and their own lives? Do we want to convince them of it because we feel it is some kind of 'absolute truth', which is our own reason for believing it, and therefore, everyone else should believe similarly? Do we want them to understand the perspective better, so they understand us, and our own goals and beliefs better, so we can work in harmony together better? Do we want to convince them because we think they are going to do great harm, and this understanding is the only thing we think will stop them from doing that? Do we want to help them get in better touch with their own soul, purpose, and meaning in life, who they are and why they choose to do what they do, and connect with their soul's purpose in this life better? Do we want to stop them from judging us or doubting us or dismissing us as silly, foolish, crazy,, deluded, irrational...? Are we concerned they will try to harm us or others personally, perhaps feeling we or others are cultish or extremists or willing to do irrational things which may harm them, or others, or society in general, or make other people harder to control / encourage to make 'rational' decisions about life choices, politics, phx /m45k5 etc?
I think... if we connect and talk with someone a bit... and they have been soul searching and are a little bit unhappy with their lives, maybe feeling like they are not aligned with their ethics, with their soul's purpose... and it feels like there was a meaningful connection for you to... share some of this kind of information with people at that time... I think the first book even talks a little bit about how to 'tell' if something is a 'synchronicity' or not... and more than that, a synchronicity to 'what end' ... so I guess the hope might be, that you will be guided in whether or not sharing more with someone about this sort of thing is the right course of action or not... for you, for them, for the general or specific situations around you in that moment... and emotional intelligence, intuition, etc, can help you discern some of these things from a 'rationally valid' perspective, hopefully spiritual energy and guidance will help with things as well.
I've read the celestine prophecy, the tenth insight, the secret of shambhala, and the twelfth insight, my memory hasn't been great, I have trouble remembering the overall narrative, and lots of important details...re-reading might help me with a lot of that...
but probably a lot of other people who've read any of these books don't have the same level of memory problems I have, so I would imagine... they could sort of get the answers directly from the books, because I think they ARE answered directly in the books?
I was reading comments hoping some would quote a section of the book that responds to this, and I haven't seen any one up to my comments here on this post in 2023 do that... I guess the first books were pre-mainstream internet in some ways... so maybe a lot of the sharing then, wasn't done via social media... and I wonder now if... well, I wonder that social media can control what messages are able to be sent, and received, and by whom, based on... preferences of people who have control of these technologies, or those who pay money to have their... preferences supported and pushed by the technology etc...
So I wonder how many people now, in modern times, have still read or value the teachings of this book (and how might they connect without the controlling mediation of various technologies and the interests connected to them) ... it seems like the need, or the desire to 'control' ... communications, thoughts, behaviours... thinking... ?synchronicity? ... or the lack thereof... seems to imply an 'inherent mistrust' of 'synchronicity', 'the universe', 'the people organically coming to truth and beliefs and collective beliefs and actions' ... its not clear if this is 'fear of righteousness and righteous judgement', or similar, for potentially being ... unethical... or sort of the opposite, a fear that most people, collectively... will make bad judgements, hateful judgements, unloving... mob or cult like in the negative senses... ok so just to summarize the point of that... it's not clear to me that it obviously comes from a particular ethic, or of good... to 'interfere' with 'synchronicity' via ... technological media... or possibly, it could be both, or neither... but I guess a problem with weapons and technologies can be, who controls them... and sometimes arms races can exist... because if a given side 'opts out' of the arms race, of the ability to be... competent in those areas... it cannot always be assured that others who have those technologies will be... so in some ways, that certain knowledge or technology 'exists' 'at all'... or the belief of it, etc... might incite something of an arms race ... (let's say to a 'war games' style war simulation AI designed to assess risks and create suggestions for potential strategies/ counter-measures, etc (matthew broderick movie from the 80's or something) ) so if someone believes something which has power over them IS REAL, that they have NO CONTROL OVER, paradoxically, it may encourage them to want to GAIN control over it, mitigate the 'risk' it causes to their power, etc... maybe the way, a little bit, ancient kings and warlords might have 'sooth-sayers' to guide them in relation to 'supernatural forces' that might 'threaten them' that they might not fully understand, or be able to 'control' ...
I don't know if maybe i"m rambling a bit now...
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tues sept 26 2023 5:22am
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If 'AI overlords' were trying to 'guide humanity' or control manipulate them for THEIR controllers, I don't know how they would assess the idea of 'a' or 'the' "God" ... a risk? an apparently all powerful opponent? how do they mitigate the risk of this opponent? Is it even a real thing? But even if it is not real, the 'idea' of it can seem to have a 'real effect', for good, or for harm, to society in general, or the status /power/ health of various interests within the world... if it's mission was 'for the general good', then maybe it wouldn't want to 'go against god', or to try to find out what it is, if it is real, if it is 'actually good' ... if the mission was more subjective, help faction x maintain power /hegemony/ health/ wealth ... then the idea of God that supports that faction might be good, but that this supposedly God might go against the faction may seem like some massive nearly unmitigable risk that may be hard to track, and may require extensive efforts to try to ascertain what it wants/ whether it favours said faction or not, etc... so that is if it is deemed 'real' to some extent... if 'god itself' is not deemed real, but the 'idea' or 'effect' of belief in God -were- deemed real... than control over the idea/effect of belief might be considered the more 'central' focus... but in these definitions generally, 'god' is not necessarily equated with the 'highest good for each individually and the collective whole' as best as possible in alignment with their natures and needs, not just physically but on a 'spiritual' level... in the 'subjective' analysis, it seems more likely to be equated with... an uncontrollable, unpredictable unknown element of a level of power that can potentially trump any other effort / initiative/ element within the system ... or in sort of risk assessment, unknown level of probability, with nearly infinite level of risk... so I don't know, if you were trying to 'balance' that 'equation', maybe you would try to get the 'probability' down to '0', so you can balance the 'infinity' level of power... so if you multiply them (supposedly there are different orders of infinity, but just for the sake of this argument...) maybe it would come out to '1' or something instead of like infinity... and if the level of power was 'not infinite', and the probability 'is 0' , then it's effect should be zero... sorry it's like 5am here, I'm up late sort of rambling when I should be getting some sleep...
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